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Old 10th February 2013, 07:25 AM   #1
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Sexless marriage?

Bit of a brief background summary. My wife (31) and I (33) have been together 6 years, married for 3. We also have a 2yr old boy. As like most couples, at the beginning, it was all pure passion and lust....twice a day every week at times. We used to enjoy watching porn together, her alone sometimes too, which I had no issue with.

As time went on, the sex did eventually get less, but was still healthy. After our little one was born, naturally the sex gets less. This is, to some extent, expected, after a woman gives birth. But 2 years on, we're now in the once a month, once every 2 months club.

Her attitude is that we've been together a long time(!) and that things change over time. I get that things change, but said that I don't believe once a month is healthy. If it was down to me, i'd have it every day. I asked for a compromise - maybe once a week... She agreed to compromise and have sex once a week. But she said she wants it to be on the same day every week... a Friday. I didn't want it to be so regimented, but agreed anyway. This worked for maybe 3 weeks... then one Friday, she said she was too tired for sex. Not a problem, we have all weekend, so maybe we'll have an opportunity. But no. In her head, Friday had passed, so that was it until the following week. I questioned it... she got all defensive, and then pulled the plug on weekly sex, saying it felt like a chore!

She said that if she's not in the mood for it more than once a month, then she wouldn't do it for the sake of it, as it would feel wrong.

To top it off, i've seen that she's been watching porn on her phone whilst i'm at work. Makes me feel like her libido hasn't gone, and that it's me that's the problem?

I work shifts (nights and a few days shifts), so am home a lot in the week. I do almost all of the chores (Cook, tidy, washing, dishes), I have our boy on my days off. She works Monday-Friday, 9-5.30. She will come home from work, chill for an hour and then go gym for an hour. She will come home, eat dinner i've cooked, watch tv and then go bed. On the days I do work day shifts, she has to get our boy ready to take him to childminder, then go to work, thats it.

Virtually every single night, she'll ask for a massage and we'll both be naked for it. She enjoys it, finds it relaxing, and i'd be lying if I said I didn't get turned on. She gets very turned on, I can feel it.... but just as we were about to have sex, she told me me to get off as she was tired, and that was that. I couldn't get to sleep, as I was frustrated and a little bit peed off. We had a conversation about what we are going to do, but she fell asleep.

She never ever initiates sex. Sex will now only happen as a result of the massage. If I didn't massage her, we'd never come into contact! She rarely kisses me and foreplay from her is a massive no no. She does have some skin issues (bit of a form of eczema) and says it really affects her nipples... so I can't ever touch her breasts and touching her lady garden is a big no no. So I can't touch my wife to even get her in the mood.

When we have this conversation about sex, she just asks what the solution is. She's unwilling to compromise on this once a month thing. She says she doesn't understand why sex is so important to me. When I tell her that by having sex, it shows to me that she still wants me in a physical way. But all she hears is that I want to get laid. She wants to know why, if i'm happy with the rest of the relationship, why can't that be enough for me?

When we do have sex, there's no foreplay. In fact, there's been no foreplay since our boy was born. But the sex itself is over within 5 minutes. Usually she orgasms so fast, way before me. I'd say she was faking it, but I can feel she isn't... plus I know her too well to know she's not faking it. So if she likes it that much, why not want it more often? I get depressed so soon after sex too, as I know that's "it" for another month.

I've never gone down on her since we've been together. She says she's not comfortable with it and that I won't like it! I love doing it and she's admitted she's done it with every single guy she's ever dated, so that frustrates me just as much. Because if you didn't like it, you wouldn't have done it more than twice really?

I don't want to be stuck in a marriage that's only 3 years old, where the sex is pretty much non existent already and the foreplay has stopped. When I ask her every couple of months for some foreplay, she tells me to stop pressurising her. Pressurising? She's my wife... I barely mention it for fear of rejection. She says because I talk about it so often, she feels pressured... and as a result, she's not at all interested in sex. However, she said that if she were single right now and slept with someone, she admitted she'd do all the foreplay, have loads of sex, because that's what you do when you first get with someone....!

2/3 weeks after sex, I might start to try seduce her again, but she'll just stop and say we only had sex "the other day".

I said to her that I feel my confidence has been destroyed in bed. We only have sex when she's in the mood. We only ever do the same positions because that what she wants, as she doesn't like anything else. We don't have foreplay because she doesn't like it. I feel like I simply don't know how to turn her on anymore?

What can I do? How can she compromise if she refuses to have sex unless she's in the mood?

Every other aspect of the relationship is fine, but this is just eating away at me constantly. I asked her to go counselling (with me). She said no - on the basis that we'll get a divorce if it doesn't work. I asked her to go doctors to rule out any hormonal/chemical imbalances, she said no as there's nothing wrong with her.

She also confessed recently, saying she doesn't want to fight anymore, but that she can't keep me if i can't "bear" to stay. She also apologised, stating she she doesn't have the spark anymore - that it went after our boy was born 2 years ago. She says she fancies me but not in the way I want (e.g. wanting to rip my clothes off). She believes this is how it should be after 6 years together, and that it'll never be how it was at the beginning. She doesn't understand why I seem to put sex "above" the marriage, and can't believe i'd be willing to break up the family home, because, in her words, she won't "f*ck me".

Is divorce my only option?
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Old 10th February 2013, 09:51 AM   #2
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I haven't got any immediate answers. Perhaps others have. It sounds like a role reversal to me in some ways. Usually the husband has a porn problem which affects his sexual drive towards his wife. I don't know if that is what has happened here but in reverse.

You are right that both should submit to each other in the area of sex and meet each others needs and sometimes this needs to be stirred up. She seems to be playing it exactly according to her needs and not yours. I can't see how foreplay would hurt her although if it's not willing it loses something. I think her thinking is wrong. Marriage is the place to enjoy sex not outside of it. She seems to think it is ok with new affairs etc. but the place for it is in marriage alone in my view. I think she has the wrong philosophy somehow. Perhaps from what she has been reading or what she has picked up from somewhere.
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Old 10th February 2013, 09:55 AM   #3
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I don't know what the solution is! She's been telling me this morning that she loves but no longer lusts after me. Said she doesn't fancy me anymore. Who knows if that can ever change?

But says she doesn't want us to split up? Said she's happy to stay together, even if she doesn't lust after me. Is she being incredibly selfish or what?
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Old 10th February 2013, 10:29 AM   #4
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I think this is tragic. She seems to be willing to risk divorce rather than make some effort to have a good sex life. A healthy sex life is vital in marriage to maintain that emotional closeness, and for a man especially, it is so important that he feels wanted and desired physically.
There seems to be this thought recently that if we dont 'feel' like it we dont have to do it and that is both sad and wrong, because we can do it because we love our spouse and want them to be happy. She is happy for you to spend ages massaging her while refusing to do anything that you like. Sorry but this is pain selfish.

Now porn will have done some damage, so dont go there again, as will all of yours and hers previous sexual partners, but where to go from here. I think that you need to make a counselling appt and if she refuses to go then you go alone. I think that she also needs to know just how unhappy you are and just how serious this is.

No its not normal for sex to wane to such an extent after such a short time, sex isnt all about lust but about love and giving and unselfishness. My husband and I are on our mid 50's and we have a really good sex life. Once a month is no where near enough for people of your age(or any age) and few men could deal with that, and specificying a day and hour is also very cold and clinical.
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Old 10th February 2013, 10:34 AM   #5
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Thanks Chosen. I've never met anyone that has her "mindset"... it's almost as if she doesn't think like a 'normal' person?

I agree with your line about "sex isnt all about lust but about love and giving and unselfishness". However, in her mind, unless she's in the mood, she simply can't have sex. She can't just lay there with her legs open as she put it!
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Old 10th February 2013, 01:34 PM   #6
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No but she needs a mental change in her attitude I would say. I say never let the erotic wane within a marriage, as it can if one is not careful. That is what helps me to keep straight and overcome temptation. I know we are bombarded by books films and the internet which can give a completely different picture but that is nowhere near the truth about marriage in my opinion unless you are watching and reading the right stuff of course.

Even the scripture says each spouse has power over the other's body and if you are apart for a reason make sure you come together again so that you are not tempted. Presumably outside of the marriage and I would add even porn.

I would say cultivating a right attitude to marriage would go a long way and that has to start with you msc as the motivated one. Hopefully she will be able to pick up on that later although one has to realise that nothing can be forced on the other only encouraged.

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Old 10th February 2013, 01:43 PM   #7
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SO she can only do things if she feels like it? Well, we dont always feel like getting up in the middle of the night to a crying baby, or going to work on a wet Monday morning or cleaning the toilet, but we do it anyway.

My husbands first wife was similar in that sex was only when and if she said so. There was never any spontinaity and he was frequanty rejected. She made him feel like a pervert if he wanted sex more than once a week. When we met and married, this had affected him very badly. He was so used to rejection that he was very hesitant of ever asking for sex, and it has taken years for him to be free and get over the past. Also like you he wasnt allowed to touch certain parts of her. Its all so sad because sex greatly improves a marriage, and it isnt much to ask is it.

I just wish that your wife would understand how vital this is for a good and healthy marriage.
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Old 10th February 2013, 01:56 PM   #8
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SO she can only do things if she feels like it? Well, we dont always feel like getting up in the middle of the night to a crying baby, or going to work on a wet Monday morning or cleaning the toilet, but we do it anyway.

My husbands first wife was similar in that sex was only when and if she said so. There was never any spontinaity and he was frequanty rejected. She made him feel like a pervert if he wanted sex more than once a week. When we met and married, this had affected him very badly. He was so used to rejection that he was very hesitant of ever asking for sex, and it has taken years for him to be free and get over the past. Also like you he wasnt allowed to touch certain parts of her. Its all so sad because sex greatly improves a marriage, and it isnt much to ask is it.

I just wish that your wife would understand how vital this is for a good and healthy marriage.
Absolutely spot on. Was your husbands first wife my current wife?!

She won't go to see a doctor as there's nothing wrong with her, as far as she's concerned.

She keeps going on about not wanting us to split up and she wants me to stay with her, even though she's not attracted to me. She said I need to stop talking about sex and look at her as a person. Essentially, she wants me to stay in a sexless marriage. She's shocked that i'd leave her over sex.
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Old 10th February 2013, 03:13 PM   #9
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I am shocked that she has no understanding of the importance of sex in marriage. If we expect our spouse to be faithful, then we must not deprive them of sex. As a Christian I am well aware that God Himself tells us not to deprive each other, and it is disobedient for us to do so.
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Old 10th February 2013, 03:17 PM   #10
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I suppose to some extent, her needs are being met, as she only wants it once a month or so. So my needs are disregarded, as she can't just have sex without being in the mood for it
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Old 10th February 2013, 04:00 PM   #11
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I'd say she is no longer attracted to you because of the Porn...BTW, porn affects women the same as it does men (surprised?)...they become "disconnected" emotionally to their own spouse, get lost in fantasy land, and lose all physical attraction for their spouse. The emotional is directly connected to having the desire for the physical...particularly for women. It is an open door for demonic spiritual activity...something unseen, but VERY real.

How is the affection going the rest of the time...that is, is there any physical affection such as holding hands, cuddling, spontaneous hugs, stroking when sitting close, a pat on the bum, kissing (that is more than a quick peck like you'd give to your mother or sister when greeting them)? She says she is "fine"...does that mean that she MB's regularly instead of wanting you? That is what I really think it means...that she is taking care of herself MBing, and so has no need/desire for you...so she can claim that she is fine because she knows she functions normally in that way...her problem is YOU...she is completely turned off to you personally. STOP giving her massages...she probably uses those to get herself psyched up for MB, and she does not give you what you need in return...it is nothing but a tease and extremely selfish of her.

I'd tell her that you will stop "pestering" her about this issue IF she will go to a doctor to rule out severe hormone changes since the birth of your son. That way, if she comes back "normal", you have confirmation that it IS the effects of the Porn...if it comes back that her hormones are "shot", she can get medication to put them back in balance...AND she/you MUST give up the Porn in order to make your way back to the reality of each other ONLY. If you go to forums relating to porn addiction, there you will find plenty of women who are not able to stop either, and not able to function normally with their spouse...check it out for yourself...go to www.blazinggrace.org The vast majority are men who seem to be the ones that succumb to this, but if you go to the forum, there you will find the links that are for women addicted to it as well...they struggle with it just in the same way as the men addicts do.


If she refuses to do either...I'd then say that you have a very difficult decision ahead of you, because the next thing on the agenda is that ONE of you will likely go out and have an affair which will cause a divorce. You cannot go on this way indefinately.

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Old 10th February 2013, 04:18 PM   #12
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To be fair, she watches porn maybe once a month, if that, and that's only when I'm working a night shift. So it's not like its that regular and certainly not what affects "us".

As for affection - only a peck on the lips to say hello, goodbye and goodnight. She'll ask me to snuggle her and she'll put her leg on me in bed... thats the only contact I have without making effort myself.

Can't help but think her head has been turned by another man possibly?
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Old 10th February 2013, 04:32 PM   #13
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How can you be so certain of that..that she is "only" doing porn once a month or so?

Another man? Hmmm....none of us like to suggest that right off the bat, but how would you be able to confirm it either way?

She does indeed "act" like a woman who is involved in some way with another...either emotionally or physically, but I'd do the medical exploration first...the hormones, so as to rule that out and not cause worse problems by suggesting to her that you think she may be involved w/o evidence of that.

That could possibly be the answer in a nut shell, and your only option that she might agree to w/o causing a deeper rift.

She seems too selfish to care how this is effecting you.
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Old 10th February 2013, 04:35 PM   #14
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Well I pay for her phone bill, so I see all the bills.. when she watches porn, its always on her phone and the data usage ramps up! Not seen that for a while, and she has no idea i'd be able to check.

She'd never admit to me if she liked another man, so I'd never know.

She's refusing to go docs already. She thinks that because I've said I can't continue with her, now that she's said she isn't attracted me, that I'll just "do whatever makes me happy", forget her and our boy. Making it all about her do you think?
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She seems too selfish to care how this is effecting you.
She can't believe I've mentioned divorcing her over the fact she's told me she no longer fancies me. So yeah, she doesn't care really about my happiness I assume!
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