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Old 16th January 2014, 12:16 PM   #226
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Are you sure Roses, I am rather more outspoken than Raymond.
I wouldn't see that as a problem to be honest. It's much better to have different personalities on here.
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Old 16th January 2014, 12:19 PM   #227
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My mum always said to look out for the quiet ones chosen , does this mean I must keep my eye on Raymond ??
Could be tab.
I used to be very quiet and shy in my teens and early adult hood. life had made me tougher and more likely to speak out and stand up for what I feel is right.
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Old 16th January 2014, 01:48 PM   #228
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We are all different. I suppose I am the quieter type. Funny how you can notice that on here.

Magneto if there is a view on anything in our marriage then we will see things differently. That can be complimentary as none of us see things perfectly. You would have been attracted to someone different in the first place. So long as both agree on the main things it doesn't much matter.

I think you are making the wrong move personally but you have to do what you have to do. I have an inkling that it might be a release for her when you go.
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Old 16th January 2014, 01:50 PM   #229
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I wouldn't see that as a problem to be honest. It's much better to have different personalities on here.
I think you are a born encourager Roses.
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Old 16th January 2014, 03:12 PM   #230
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However speaking in tongues and laying on of hands etc is 100% biblical, and described in the Bible many times. You may think its ridiculous but that doesn't mean its wrong. I have prayed in tongues for 25 years and my husband for 35 years, its one of the gifts of the spirit described clearly by Paul. MY husband also gets given prophecies and words for people as well(also 100% Biblical). Jesus Himself say that we are to lay hands on the sick and needy.

Like you I didn't grow up in a church where the Holy Spirit was allowed to work, and everything was controlled, and so I knew nothing of all that, but once I started learning about how much more there was as an adult, I didn't look back. Why not read what God says about such things, and ask yourself why you are so opposed to it all. Its from God, that I do know. Maybe that would help you to understand your wife more?

I have a friend who had an illness that left her wheelchair bound for 7 years. One day a young Christian prayed for her and laid her hands on her, and she was instantly healed and never needed that wheelchair again.
Tongues is all interpretation. It is biblical in prayer, a language between you and God. However, we both know that isn't what goes on in churches. Miracles do happen, but not very Sunday in every church.
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Old 16th January 2014, 05:15 PM   #231
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I have an inkling that it might be a release for her when you go.
I would have thought so too, Raymond. I totally agree with you.

It must be sad for both of them for a while but ultimately, it must be a huge relief for her.
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Old 16th January 2014, 05:17 PM   #232
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I think you are a born encourager Roses.
Thank you for being incredibly so generous as always, Raymond.

We are weak as individuals but if we are all together, we are much better.
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Old 16th January 2014, 07:31 PM   #233
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That is true. We don't really grow in isolatation. We need interaction but time alone as well I think.
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Old 17th January 2014, 09:57 AM   #234
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Cannot agree with you more, Raymond.

Have a lovely day, Raymond - our great Friend on the forum.
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Old 17th January 2014, 01:37 PM   #235
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I would have thought so too, Raymond. I totally agree with you.

It must be sad for both of them for a while but ultimately, it must be a huge relief for her.
Why would you say it would be a release/relief for her?
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Old 17th January 2014, 01:47 PM   #236
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That was my inkling not Rose's Magneto. Do you not agree with that?
I suspect she is trying to save the marriage as she thinks it is the right thing to do.

You are against her faith and against further commitment so I suspect it would be a relief for her in one sense as she will be legitimately free to marry again if she did so choose.
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Old 17th January 2014, 03:58 PM   #237
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Tongues is all interpretation. It is biblical in prayer, a language between you and God. However, we both know that isn't what goes on in churches. Miracles do happen, but not very Sunday in every church.
In many countries in the world healings happen all the time.
There is too mush doubt and unbelief in the west for it to happen often.
Tongues given in church needs to be interpreted because it is God speaking. Our own private prayer language of tongues can be used any time any place. I have been to several churches where the gifts are used properly and as the Bible states.
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Old 17th January 2014, 04:02 PM   #238
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That was my inkling not Rose's Magneto. Do you not agree with that?
I suspect she is trying to save the marriage as she thinks it is the right thing to do.

You are against her faith and against further commitment so I suspect it would be a relief for her in one sense as she will be legitimately free to marry again if she did so choose.
I am not sure that we know why she wants the marriage to carry on do we? It may be because she knows its what God wants, and if there has been no sexual immorality, would she be free to marry again anyway? Many Christians would say not, because the original marriage convenant is still intact.
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Old 17th January 2014, 06:33 PM   #239
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That was my inkling not Rose's Magneto. Do you not agree with that?
I suspect she is trying to save the marriage as she thinks it is the right thing to do.

You are against her faith and against further commitment so I suspect it would be a relief for her in one sense as she will be legitimately free to marry again if she did so choose.
I'm not against her faith (i am aslo a christian) or further committment. I just believe it's too damaged to repair. I'm sure there is more than one reason she wants to save the marriage. I have had my reasons as well (kids, family, friends, security). However, none of them is worth more years of turmoil for me.
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Old 17th January 2014, 07:39 PM   #240
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I can't really make a judgment but I agree that speaking in tongues in the church does put people off and me in fact unless there is an interpretation of what is being said. I don't know about the shouting. Could be good or bad who knows.

The first interpretation I ever heard was "Your life is a dry desert. So dry that there are cracks in it. I want to come into those cracks and bring life to your soul". I became a christian from that so I am not against using the gifts of the spirit if it is done decently and in order. I gathered you were against the gifts and she wasn't and I could feel the tension in this.

None of this is changing your mind. You haven't really said much about her at all so it's hard for anyone to make judgments.
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