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Old 4th April 2008, 06:49 PM   #46
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Re: Husband doesn't want sex

Susan, sex was made by God and it's true we were meant to thoroughly enjoy it within the bounds of marriage. Man perverts it by taking it out of relationship. Pornography is like sex outside relationship. the Song of Solomon is a beautiful piece that shows God is not against sex. I think you will find that there is no evidence at all about any drawings accompanying it. These things have been thoroughly researched for centuries. It shows that sex is good, but I don't think it's written in such a way that tittilates. The most it says is breasts. (It's also a picture of Christ and the Church if you understand the prophetic message). Theres no doubt that a man should be intoxicated with his wife. Thats even a command in Proverbs 5.19. Porn is mostly about sex with anyone anywhere married or not graphically described. Nothing like the Song of Solomon in my view. You cannot really compare it to porn. The only common denominator is sex.

The passage you mentioned in Ezekiel 23 refers to two women who played the harlot. It is a picture of disgust that they had forsaken their husbands and uncovered their nakedness to various lovers. It is a visual aid to talk about Jerusalem and Samaria who had forsaken the true God and played the spiritual harlot in going after other so called Gods in other nations and were coming under judgment. I don't see how you can justify pornography out of that. It was some of these other nations in fact that revelled in open sex in their temples with statues of massive penises, temple prostitutes etc.

The bible can be quite blunt in sexual things but that doesn't justify porn. There is a massive difference you must admit. Sex can be spoken of in a helpful way when it needs to be, but to speak of it for the sake of it in order to tittilate and sell books is an entirely different ball game. That has a completely different spirit on it. Anyone of any discernment knows that. Wives have a better grasp of this than most men and instinctively know the dangers, although men know they are right deep down. If you read some of these old threads you will see the place pornography had in ruining a lot of the marriages. Divorces through pornography are on about 15% at the moment from about 1% ten years ago, so it is a massive problem.

Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her he has already committed adultery/fornication with her in his heart. This must be happening in pornography over and over. I always think it is a kind of mental adultery and my observation is that it is having the same effect as adultery. Pornography is a robber rather than an enabler. It's almost like it has come to steal and destroy. Did you know that porn stars have way the highest suicide rates of any profession? It is not something that God can bless. Somemething else is behind it and it isn't God.

Sex is a strong urge in most of us but the fire needs to be lit in the hearth (marriage) not in the middle of the floor where it will burn the house down.

Raymond

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Old 5th April 2008, 07:16 AM   #47
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Hello Raymond and Susan

Raymond i saw the link you sent all i can say is thank you!!!!!
i will have my husband sitting here tomorrow and watching it with him
he will not get out of watching this ...its medicine for his brain

Susan i agree king Solomon was involved with sex through out his ruling i believe he had the most wives of any king even the old testament standards.
God wanted his chosen men to have more then one wife because he wanted to populate the earth with good bloodlines.
the old testament is honorable but i really believe Jesus came to earth to set a lot of things strait about how we are to treat one another then died for our sins.
Solomon had a lot of wives from all over the world and these wives didn't all believe in his God and Solomon got a little slack with god because of the company he kept ie wives...he even went to see a fortune teller or something like that after God had reassured him about something he was worried about.

I'm not taking away the value of the Bible or Solomon by saying this i'm just saying if you read the bible it has a lot of repeated stories told differently by each writer but the theme is always the same and God words evolves so we modern people can understand and i believe Jesus to be the one who has upgraded the bible because God knew it needed it.
That's what makes us Christine not Jewish or muslims.

Sex is sacred and when sex is sold that is porn
i can video tape myself with my husband having sex and that would not be porn,,,mind you i don't think its necessary personally, but there is nothing wrong with it.

Did Jesus charge people for his holly acts of love?

i don't want you to feel bad about anything i say i really like your take on how you brought your husband back from a sexless marriage but i think you still need to fine tune some of your ideas
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Old 5th April 2008, 08:27 AM   #48
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Alice I totally agree with everything you say. You do not realise how honourable you have been. I will tell you one day.

Yes Jesus made a new covenant which we are under as christians. A love covenant purchased for us through his death. You say it so beautifully.

I really pray that your husband sees his error and that his eyes may be opened to the truth. In the meantime you need to build yourself up. I hope you are getting good fellowship with other christians. We are not meant to live in isolation from each other although of course we respect each others privacy.

God bless

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Old 5th April 2008, 10:21 AM   #49
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thank you i believe Christ will show him the way..i just need to
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Old 5th April 2008, 04:03 PM   #50
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I'll finish for you? Need to be who you are in Christ. Your husband will be changed by your life not by your words. I am praying for him. You are very brave to hang on in there. Most women would have left by now. Do you have any children Alice? How old are they?

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Old 5th April 2008, 11:59 PM   #51
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My hubby saw the news clip ...all of it.
now i wait to see what i can fish out of him.
i need to give him time to figure out what he learned...if he in fact learned anything, thats what i'm worried about.

Thanx again...i need to find a church i just moved to a new neighbourhood 4 hours from my old one...he said he wants to go to a pentecostal church or a Seventh-day Adventist

ps i forgot to answer ur question...we have a 22month baby

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Old 6th April 2008, 06:25 AM   #52
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It's an amazing feat for you that he actually read it Alice. That is good. You must leave it with God now though. If he gets wind that you are manipulating it could have a reverse affect. He must know it is wrong deep down.

It is interesting that he wants to find a church. I know a little about an Adventist church. The ones over here are a bit odd and legalistic and seem to be against the Holy Spirit. I would recommend the Pentecostal church every time, although I would imagine there are good ones and not so good ones. The main thing is that they lift up Jesus and are open to the Holy Spirit. If that is there you cannot go far wrong. There will be others like you who are trying to follow Christ. Part of growing as a christian is relationship to other members of the body. It wasn't meant to be lived in isolation although of course you have your own space like all of us which I find important.

I'm going to pray right now that God sets your husband free if he wants it and that you find a church together. That will be a great strength for you both if it happens.

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Old 6th April 2008, 06:47 AM   #53
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you are such a sweet heart!!!
thanx!!
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Old 6th April 2008, 09:40 PM   #54
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Hi Alice. I was just listening to Joyce Meyer on computer and thought of you. On the second half of her message she talks about porn. Never done it before as far as I know. If you fancy listening You can get her on http://www.joycemeyer.org/. Then press todays podcasts. Then pick April 4th - download podcast - save to taget. It will then download to your worktop. When it's done you can then play it.

I said you were very brave because you resisted ss. she runs a p site. You kept your principals. Well done.

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Old 7th April 2008, 12:36 AM   #55
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Hi Raymond
thanks for the link, i learned about Joyce back in 1999 she is great all her work is inspirational to me, i haven't seen that one.
She talked about a lot of things about procrastination and giving one selves good deeds to others, being humble, self persona (different then self image) curiosity of bad things IE porn

all good stuff loved listening to it all its been a while since i sat down to listen to her..thanx for rekindling the fire to listen to her now i will on the net.

Wow i had no idea ss was a p promoter in the true sense...where is she now? i wonder why she hasn't replied.

i showed my Husband what she wrote and he thought it was a man who was posing as a woman.

i'm not scared of people who try to redirect my focus of the true word of God.
i have been warned about these kind of people they have been said to be the worst kind i forget there is a name they are called...but i hope she will see and learn that her views have been warped, its never too late. Saint Paul for example.


thank you soo much for making my life kinder, sometimes i feel like banging my head against the wall of this porn problem that i am faced with.

Porn is the modern IMAGE along with some of the fashion industry.
God warned every one not to worship IMAGES made of wood, stone, i forget word for word but he covered all areas of this IMAGE problem....we should only pine for God and no one else a balanced way of looking at things i would say
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Old 7th April 2008, 08:23 AM   #56
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I agree with what you are saying about porn. A chap called David Wilkerson who started Teen Challenge prophesied many years ago of this coming to the world. He referred to revelation where a flood came out of the dragons mouth to try and drown the woman who was bringing forth the man child. I take that as the church manifesting Christ and the flood being used to drown that. Just a thought.

My wife said she thought ss was a man as well. Strange?

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Old 7th April 2008, 09:05 PM   #57
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Revelations is so hard to fallow even after its explained i have received some understanding of it though.
The end of the "world" a lot of people will try to misguide each other

what if your wife and my Hubby are right?

i found out about a church today that has a congregation that is growing very quickly
in fact i was told there are a lot of churches of all different kinds in the new area we moved to
Its hard to explain the town we are in is part of several towns i think 9 and with in each town has like 4 churches ...so we will do some church hoping
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Old 8th April 2008, 04:46 AM   #58
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Hi Raymond i found something

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wg8t...eature=related
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Old 8th April 2008, 08:16 AM   #59
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Hi Alice. yes Rev is a difficult but one gets a sense of it sometimes.

It's great that you have a choice of churches to go to. I really pray you find the right one for you.

I don't know if your husband and my wife are right, but I have heard of this sort of thing before. Deception is going on in this area. The whole thing is a deception really when you think about it. That's one of his names actually.The great deceiver. Again in revelation.

I will look at vegetales later. I saw a bit but it kept pausing and I'm off to work in a minute, plus swimming and maybe housegroup at the end.

God bless
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Old 8th April 2008, 08:12 PM   #60
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hope you saw the link..i know its childish news but it hits home...i was with my baby searching for some entertainment our TV broke in the move and i found this.

thanks again for all your uplifting advice
gab
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